Friday, August 29, 2008

God Must Be Way Past Pissed

Because after Gustav, comes Hannah (to Florida's right).

Incidentally, I didn't know that

Stanley B. Goldenberg, Research Meteorologist, NOAA, AOML/Hurricane Research Division, Miami, Florida, U.S.A

...attended and spoke at Deniapalooza back in March. He even signed the "Manhattan Declaration". Goldenberg is one of Chris Landea's frequent co-authors, and therefore I suppose one of the few "real" scientists in the Denialist camp.

23 comments:

More Reality - Really said...

Hmmmm, let's see.

August 29th.
Check

Mid-point in the Hurricane Season.
Check

Two Tropical Depressions formed.
Check

Completely normal.
Check.


Must be Global Warming
Check

It is great being a Warmonger. We can do anything.

The Mound of Sound said...

Reality is fudging - why, reality. This from Enviro-Can:

"The hurricanes that impact eastern North America usually occur between June and November every year. Most of those hurricanes form and develop between August and October. There is an old saying that on the Labour Day weekend there will be a hurricane or tropical storm somewhere in the North Atlantic."

Sorry to piss on your parade, reality man, but the key months are August (why, that's now!) through October.

Once in a While . . . said...

"between June and November every year"

which puts August at the mid point ??

Mound buddy, I think you missed the point being made. Your post actually supports More Reality's entry.



Regardless if August is "exactly" the midpoint or not, the fact that two storms are forming at this time is 100% normal, where BCL's post makes it out to be an abnormal - i.e. global warming driven event.

Ti-Guy said...

I hope at least a mega-church is taken out somehwere.

Regardless if August is "exactly" the midpoint or not...

...so illiterate.

bigcitylib said...

Once, two hurricanes coming ashore during the week of the Republican convention would be a tad unusual, wouldn't it?

Joseph said...

Ok, as the only person posting this morning who lived in Florida for over a dozen years, I know a bit about storms. And being on the "H" storms before Labor Day is amazing.

This year may compete with other abnormal number of large storms seen in recent years - think Katrina hitting on Aug 29 3 years ago today.

The mid-point of the season is August (for the range of the season), representing the range in which storms can normally develop due to warm enough water temps.

But peak activity is late Sep through early October, in which the vast majority of storms form - particularly those that threaten land.

I am not advocating this is solely due to Global Warming, but to claim this year is "typical" is ridiculous.

It is widely accepted that Global Warming will cause an increased number and stronger storms, and it has been pointed out in repeated studies.

If God has anything to do with this, perhaps it is to send a reminder in Gustav just in time for the Republican convention.

I don't believe such things, but you can bet if the tables were turned, Republican so-cons would be all over it.

Reciprocal Reality said...

The Obamacrats didn't have to worry about a hurricane interrupting their big party.

They had The Goreacle in town to protect them.

It worked.

Paul S said...

"This year may compete with other abnormal number of large storms seen in recent years - think Katrina hitting on Aug 29 3 years ago today."- joseph

Scientists didn't even link Katrina to global warming, how can you?

"I am not advocating this is solely due to Global Warming, but to claim this year is "typical" is ridiculous." - joseph

Every anomaly is touted as "evidence" by warmers. There is at present nothing unusual about this year.

"It is widely accepted that Global Warming will cause an increased number and stronger storms, and it has been pointed out in repeated studies." - joseph

Not as widely accepted as you claim. And studies so far are inconclusive on the issue.

Ti-Guy said...

This how I would respond to Paultard's comment, if I were as retarded as he is:

Scientists didn't even link Katrina to global warming...

Yes they did.

Every anomaly is touted as "evidence" by warmers.

No they aren't.

There is at present nothing unusual about this year.

Yes there is.

Not as widely accepted as you claim.

Yes, as widely accepted as he claimed.

And studies so far are inconclusive on the issue.

No they're not.

Paul S said...

Some scientists attempted to link Katrina to AGW ti-guy yet the evidence to link that particular hurricane is tenuous at best.

Studies purporting to show an increase in hurricane intensity are contradicted by other peer-reviewed studies showing no increase.

At present, there is of yet no concensus on this subject and is why so much more research is ongoing.

Ti-Guy said...

Some scientists attempted to link Katrina to AGW ti-guy yet the evidence to link that particular hurricane is tenuous at best.

No it isn't.

Studies purporting to show an increase in hurricane intensity are contradicted by other peer-reviewed studies showing no increase.

No they're not.

At present, there is of yet no concensus (sic) on this subject and is why so much more research is ongoing.

Yes there is and no that's not why.

Paul S said...

C'mon ti-guy, get up to speed on some of the latest research. Your info is so 2005-ish.

From the NOAA:

"No individual tropical cyclone can be directly attributed to climate change."
http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~tk/glob_warm_hurr.html

And in this article:
"Hurricane Expert Reassesses Link to Warming"
Dr. Kerry Emmanuel, the prominent MIT climate scientist says:

“The take-home message is that we’ve got a lot of work to do. There’s still a lot of uncertainty in this problem. The bulk of the evidence is that hurricane power will go up, but in some places it will go down.”

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/12/hurricane-expert-reassesses-climate-link/

Ti-Guy said...

Paul, your links are not working.

Paul S said...

Try these.

http://tinyurl.com/8aofy

http://tinyurl.com/4rb75a

Ti-Guy said...

Nope. Still not working.

Holly Stick said...

No individual cyclone can be directly attributed to climate change; but neither can climate change as a cause be definitely discounted.

So any denialist who says such storms are not caused by climate change is full of crap, because no one is able to know this.

Ti-Guy said...

So any denialist who says such storms are not caused by climate change is full of crap...

They don't claim much of anything. They just use their robust ignorance to cultivate doubt. All day, all the time.

Paul S said...

The links work fine for me ti-guy. Trust me on this one. :)

"So any denialist who says such storms are not caused by climate change is full of crap, because no one is able to know this." - holly stick

I hope the alarmists argument hasn't come down to that holly.
That's really lame.

Ti-Guy said...

The links work fine for me ti-guy.

No it doesn't.

Trust me on this one.

No I won't.

Paul S said...

I give up ti-guy. I'd assumed you knew how to copy and paste.

Steve Bloom said...

FYI, BCL, the religious fundamentalist Goldenberg is not what we might call a real scientist (no PhD, e.g.). Nobody else from the NHC, Landsea included, has these sorts of wacky views or associations.

Ti-Guy said...

I'd assumed you knew how to copy and paste.

No you hadn't.

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